Low sec is still going to be dangerous, but folks are going to have to work a little harder to keep it that way. Also remember soon we are going to have a very much tougher mining barge that I hope to see folks trying out in low sec.

I like it because it reduces gate/station games a lot and removes the smart bomb gate camps that are unavoidable for someone jumping into it.

There can still be war decs if you want your station/gate games that much but anywhere else you can still die in a fire, missions, belts, outside a POS or at a planet, safespot, etc.

I think we are still one step away from making this all work. Get the ore in low sec SUBSTANTIALLY better than high sec and make it worth organizing 10 barge fleet op WITH proper combat support. There was a time in Eve where that was the only way I mined. Sadly, I can't make the case to anyone these days that doing that is anything other than crazy because I will make as much in high sec with out any of the logistics hassle and risk. Until the reward it there, you are right, not much will change.

The secret will be to make the rewards enough when spread across the GROUP to make folks want to take it on. And remember, rewards can be a fun experience every bit as much as the isks.

Issler

So you like it currently how it is? Low-sec completely dead except for the occasional noob that wanders in by mistake and gets instantly blasted and probably will never want to return again, being that the majority of their 5 second experience of low-sec was a loading screen.

God forbid you actually go and hunt them down. That might be... New and Exciting!

That is a lot more time for them to experience and learn lowsec at least. Also it sounds like you are part of the problem why people don't want to go to lowsec. Praying on those that don't nearly have the experience or wherewithal to give you a decent fight. If people know they are just going to get smashed, it turns them off from wanting to return and participate.

I don't mind the escalating sentry gun damage, mostly because on the low end it'll mean that fights don't get ****** up by sentry so bad, but if by 4 minutes you're saying there will be 5000+DPS coming from sentries, that's bad.

TBH, I think this change will massively reduce the amount of actual fights that occur on lowsec gates and leave ganks unaffected.

Lmao, 4.5 minutes!!? What gang would want to aggress another gang on gate with that? Should be at the very minimum 15 minutes.

I'm not against hampering perma tanking but this is such a blanket change that screws over so many other forms of pvp.

My prediction:

1) CCP will go ahead regardless of warnings (history repeating and all that)
2) Low seccers will adapt, new (or revival of old) tactics will emerge
3) Bears gonna whine about being insta tackled by frigs and or volleyed from range
4) CCP makes sentry range cover whole grid :)
5) ... some time passes, more whining
6) Sentries do uber dps from 1st second, eliminating that fast locking small ship threat
7) Sub caps cannot aggress at gates due to dps
8) ... I dunno, seboed supercaps blapping haulers and having to warp out screaming?
9) Any sentry presence becomes pvp free zone.
10) Whining about being probed and killed.
11) Sentries appearing at npc sites, belts
12) ... not sure

this is bullshit ccp might as well kill the whole pirate comunity,and the only people who like this are probaly all FW anyways.

According to the numbers presented in that same CSM...

Only 25% of players were playing EvE for the PVP. That leaves...75% who do not consider it a reason for playing the game.

If i were running CCP, I wonder what group I would listen to? Maybe the majority...

That's strange, it seems that would only impact 25% of current playerbase in drastic ways. I merely echoed (as best i could from memory) the numbers mentioned. Are you denying that only 25% of players responded with PVP as a reason for playing the game?

It amazes me at the lengths the handful of forum trolls go to try and convince everyone (including CCP) that they are the only ones who know the "truth". Same 5 turds every time too.

Then extend the curve out to like 15 minutes. The core principle seems sound. That math needs work.

I'm looking forward to this; it will increase traffic in low sec.

Gate campers will complain about the change, but won't they complain about anything that makes camping harder anyway?

You can probe scan someone down in about 30 seconds, jeeze. The low sec ship destruction will increase; how do you not see this.

How the hell did people make it through lowsec years ago when there was no warp to zero? Let me tell you. Determination and willpower. There is always a way if you want something. I didn't quit when i lost my first Brutix to a gatecamp. I learned from the expirience and adapted. And I, like many others back in te day had it much worse than the people today.

All those elite low-sec pvpers ... they will not be able to sit 24h/day at gate or station, drinking beer and killing every ship that tries to enter or leave low sec with little effort ... they will have to actually fly to belts after miners or into scan thoose dirty missioners on they safe spots, and CATCH them before they escape ... that's terrible, so terrible ....

It's similar with low sec. All that a highsec carebear hears about it is "gate camps 24/7, EVERYWHERE!" So when he first enters low sec, he goes "oh god, oh god, we're all gonna die!" in a cloaked frigate. If he ends up landing on a gate camp, that confirms his beliefs and he'll never try again. But if he doesn't find a camp, he goes "hey, wait a second, it's all a lie, riches ahoy!" and becomes a low sec player.

Sure, I'll make a note to have another look at this and get some more player feedback when we start finalizing the designs.

Yeah so basicly selfish players, who don't care about improving eve as a whole, looking to protect their source of easy kills that queue nice and single file for your death-camp. And you're against more targets coming into low-sec because....... you'll actually having to go and look for them in system? Is that pretty much the basis for all of this whining from low-sec pvp "pros"?

Man you guys must really, really suck at pvp if all you can do is alpha the first fool that pops through a gate. I'm guessing directional scanners and probes must be something you don't need at all. I'm guessing its been a long, long time since you've had to look for your prey.

The whole point is to repopulate low-sec, and making it safer for people move to low and null. Opening the door, and making it harder for there to be a fleet waiting, doesn't change their vunerablility. The only difference is that they'll be in system collecting stuff. So more targets, but no-longer just as simple as turning up at a gate and blasting everything tasty that comes through.

OMG HOW UNFAIR IS THAT!!!!

I've yet to hear a decent argument for why this change would be a bad thing. Whining and threatening to unsub don't count btw.

I called smart-bombing battleships fat and lazy and no-skill, which other than fat (admittedly it's not a fair descriptor), they most certainly are. It's the laziest, least skillful form of PVP in EVE.

I'm still hearing from most of you that there are some worthwhile ways we can tweak gate guns to enhance PvP on gates (tracking, range), just obviously not by making them into UBERWTFPWNED beasties.

So after gate camping, what's next, the bubble camp or the titan hotdrop?

Oh.

Alright, that makes sense, actually. There are enough tales of people blowing up their "corpmates" to help justify that, right?

Honest question,

If whats stopping people entering losec is gate camps, cause they are always on gate. Why can't these people just form up and jump on into the gate camp together and lol stomp it? if they Orca out and away then at lease the gates now safe.

You do not need to be proficient at a subject to generalize about it with knowledge. That's just silliness.

It may be CCP expected players to police themselves, but they forget most gamers are a bloodthirsty lot and would rather blast and kill then sit around and protect the weak.

The PvP kill-or-be-killed attitude sickens me.